Prominent Russian Scientist: 'We should fear a deep temperature drop -- not catastrophic global warming'

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  • 11-16-2009 1:13 PM

    Prominent Russian Scientist: 'We should fear a deep temperature drop -- not catastrophic global warming'

    Prominent Russian Scientist: 'We should fear a deep temperature drop -- not catastrophic global warming'  

    'Warming had a natural origin...CO2 is 'not guilty'

    Tuesday, October 27, 2009By Marc Morano  –  Climate Depot

    Reprint of new scientific paper: (Full pdf paper available here.)

    THE SUN DEFINES THE CLIMATE

    (Habibullo Abdussamatov, Dr. Sc. - Head of Space research laboratory of the Pulkovo Observatory, Head of the Russian/Ukrainian joint project Astrometria - (translated from Russian by Lucy Hancock) Dr. Abdussamatov is featured on page 140 of the 2009 U.S. Senate Report of More Than 700 Dissenting Scientists Over Man-Made Global Warming. Also see "Related Links" below.)

    Key Excerpts: Observations of the Sun show that as for the increase in temperature, carbon dioxide is "not guilty" and as for what lies ahead in the upcoming decades, it is not catastrophic warming, but a global, and very prolonged, temperature drop. [...] Over the past decade, global temperature on the Earth has not increased; global warming has ceased, and already there are signs of the future deep temperature drop. [...] It follows that warming had a natural origin, the contribution of CO2 to it was insignificant, anthropogenic increase in the concentration of carbon dioxide does not serve as an explanation for it, and in the foreseeable future CO2 will not be able to cause catastrophic warming. The so-called greenhouse effect will not avert the onset of the next deep temperature drop, the 19th in the last 7500 years, which without fail follows after natural warming. [...] We should fear a deep temperature drop -- not catastrophic global warming. Humanity must survive the serious economic, social, demographic and political consequences of a global temperature drop, which will directly affect the national interests of almost all countries and more than 80% of the population of the Earth. A deep temperature drop is a considerably greater threat to humanity than warming. However, a reliable forecast of the time of the onset and of the depth of the global temperature drop will make it possible to adjust in advance the economic activity of humanity, to considerably weaken the crisis.

    Excerpts: Experts of the United Nations in regular reports publish data said to show that the Earth is approaching a catastrophic global warming, caused by increasing emissions of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. However, observations of the Sun show that as for the increase in temperature, carbon dioxide is "not guilty" and as for what lies ahead in the upcoming decades, it is not catastrophic warming, but a global, and very prolonged, temperature drop.

    Life on earth completely depends on solar radiation, the ultimate source of energy for natural processes. For a long time it was thought that the luminosity of the Sun never changes, and for this reason the quantity of solar energy received per second over one square meter above the atmosphere at the distance of the Earth from the Sun (149 597 892 km), was named the solar constant.

    Until 1978, precise measurements of the value of the total solar irradiance (TSI) were not available. But according to indirect data, namely the established major climate variations of the Earth in recent millennia, one must doubt the invariance of its value.

    In the middle of the nineteenth century, German and Swiss astronomers Heinrich Schwabe and Rudolf Wolf established that the number of spots on the surface of the Sun periodically changes, diminishing from a maximum to a minimum, and then growing again, over a time frame on the order of 11 years. Wolf introduced an index (“W”) of the relative number of sunspots, computed as the sum of 10 times number of sunspot groups plus the total number of spots in all groups. This number has been regularly measured since 1849. Drawing on the work of professional astronomers and the observations of amateurs (which are of uncertain reliability) Wolf worked out a reconstruction of monthly values from 1749 as well as annual values from 1700. Today, the reconstruction of this time series stretches back to 1611. It has an eleven-year cycle of recurrence as well as other cycles related to onset and development of individual sunspot groups: changes in the fraction of the solar surface occupied by faculae, the frequency of prominences, and other phenomena in the solar chromosphere and corona.

    Analyzing the long record of sunspot numbers, the English astronomer Walter Maunder in 1893 came to the conclusion that from 1645 to 1715 sunspots had been generally absent. Over the thirty-year period of the Maunder Minimum, astronomers of the time counted only about 50 spots. Usually, over that length of time, about 50,000 sunspots would appear. Today, it has been established that such minima have repeatedly occurred in the past. It is also known that the Maunder Minimum accompanied the coldest phase of a global temperature dip, physically measured in Europe and other regions, the most severe such dip for several millennia, which stretched from the fourteenth to the nineteenth centuries (now known as the Little Ice Age).

    The search for a relationship between large climate variations and phenomena observed in the Sun led to an interest in finding a connection between periods of change in the terrestrial climate and corresponding significant changes in the level of observed solar activity, because the sunspot number is the only index that has been measured over a long period of time.

    Determinative role of the Sun in variations in the climate of the Earth

    The Earth, after receiving and storing over the twentieth century an anomalously large amount of heat energy, from the 1990's began to return it gradually. The upper layers of the world ocean, completely unexpectedly to climatologists, began to cool in 2003. The heat accumulated by them unfortunately now is running out.

    Over the past decade, global temperature on the Earth has not increased; global warming has ceased, and already there are signs of the future deep temperature drop (Fig. 7, 11). Meantime the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere over these years has grown by more than 4%, and in 2006 many meteorologists predicted that 2007 would be the hottest of the last decade. This did not occur, although the global temperature of the Earth would have increased at least 0.1 degree if it depended on the concentration of carbon dioxide. It follows that warming had a natural origin, the contribution of CO2 to it was insignificant, anthropogenic increase in the concentration of carbon dioxide does not serve as an explanation for it, and in the foreseeable future CO2 will not be able to cause catastrophic warming. The so-called greenhouse effect will not avert the onset of the next deep temperature drop, the 19th in the last 7500 years, which without fail follows after natural warming.

    The earth is no longer threatened by the catastrophic global warming forecast by some scientists; warming passed its peak in 1998-2005, while the value of the TSI by July - September of last year had already declined by 0.47 W/m2 (Fig. 1).

    For several years until the beginning in 2013 of a steady temperature drop, in a phase of instability, temperature will oscillate around the maximum that has been reached, without further substantial rise. Changes in climatic conditions will occur unevenly, depending on latitude. A temperature decrease in the smallest degree would affect the equatorial regions and strongly influence the temperate climate zones. The changes will have very serious consequences, and it is necessary to begin preparations even now, since there is practically no time in reserve. The global temperature of the Earth has begun its decrease without limitations on the volume of greenhouse gas emissions by industrially developed countries; therefore the implementation of the Kyoto protocol aimed to rescue the planet from the greenhouse effect should be put off at least 150 years.

    [...]

    Consequently, we should fear a deep temperature drop -- not catastrophic global warming. Humanity must survive the serious economic, social, demographic and political consequences of a global temperature drop, which will directly affect the national interests of almost all countries and more than 80% of the population of the Earth. A deep temperature drop is a considerably greater threat to humanity than warming. However, a reliable forecast of the time of the onset and of the depth of the global temperature drop will make it possible to adjust in advance the economic activity of humanity, to considerably weaken the crisis.

    For complete paper see here:

    Related Links:

    UN Fears (More) Global Cooling Commeth! IPCC Scientist Warns UN: We may be about to enter 'one or even 2 decades during which temps cool' - September 4, 2009

    Flashback: 'Sun Sleeps': Danish Scientist declares 'global warming has stopped and a cooling is beginning...enjoy global warming while it lasts' - Sept. 2009

    Climate Fears RIP...for 30 years!? - Global Warming could stop 'for up to 30 years! Warming 'On Hold?...'Could go into hiding for decades' study finds – Discovery.com – March 2, 2009

    Paper: Scientific evidence now points to global COOLING, contrary to UN alarmism

    Meteorologist: 'Global cooling in its 8th year, declining ocean heat content, sea level rises slowed or stopped, sun in a deep slumber' – April 30, 2009

    Geologist: 'Records of past natural cycles suggest global cooling for first several decades of the 21st century to about 2030' – June 5, 2009

    Astronomers: 'Sun's output may decline significantly inducing another Little Ice Age on Earth' – August 15, 2009

    Indian Geologist Dissents -- launches website: 'Enjoy Global Warming: Its natural' - Sept. 2009

  • 11-16-2009 6:12 PM In reply to

    Re: Prominent Russian Scientist: 'We should fear a deep temperature drop -- not catastrophic global warming'

    Oh great!  Now I have to worry about a deep temperature drop along with everything else!  I wish things would go back to the way they were before the collapse! 

  • 11-16-2009 6:29 PM In reply to

    Re: Prominent Russian Scientist: 'We should fear a deep temperature drop -- not catastrophic global warming'

    Or you could simply acknowledge that everything posted by Magoo is worthless crap and stop worrying about it.

    It's called fear mongering Goldiec, and you fall for it every time.

     

     

  • 11-16-2009 11:37 PM In reply to

    Re: Prominent Russian Scientist: 'We should fear a deep temperature drop -- not catastrophic global warming'

    So true Ms Magoo, a bit on the brash side, but certainly true.

    Goldie, sit down and think for a few minutes about this; of all the hundreds and hundreds of posts made by Magoo that you have read and blindly believed, have any of them ever come true?  Any of them?  Ever?  All this worrying you do after reading this junk, have any of those worries ever became reality?  EVER??? 

  • 11-17-2009 9:07 AM In reply to

    Re: Prominent Russian Scientist: 'We should fear a deep temperature drop -- not catastrophic global warming'

    She must still be thinking. 

  • 11-17-2009 9:17 AM In reply to

    Re: Prominent Russian Scientist: 'We should fear a deep temperature drop -- not catastrophic global warming'

    MsMagoo:

    Or you could simply acknowledge that everything posted by Magoo is worthless crap and stop worrying about it.

    It's called fear mongering Goldiec, and you fall for it every time.

     

     

    Actually Ms. Magoo, I fall for nothing.  Mr. Magoo posts information that I myself research and arrive at opinions all by myself with no help from anyone.  Everything that Mr. Magoo posts is something to think about.  You may not agree and after you research the facts you may come up with your own opinions and that's fine.  I have learned quite a bit from things that he has said.  Information can be knowledge if you let it be. I think we all need to research more about the topics brought up on wss.
  • 11-17-2009 9:21 AM In reply to

    Re: Prominent Russian Scientist: 'We should fear a deep temperature drop -- not catastrophic global warming'

     When I was in elementary school the scientist were worried about another ice age, now they are worried about global warming.  I think whatever pays the most is the next world issue.  By the way 2012, there is no such thing a a Mayan calendar sorry to spoil the end of the world for everyone :)

  • 11-17-2009 9:43 AM In reply to

    Re: Prominent Russian Scientist: 'We should fear a deep temperature drop -- not catastrophic global warming'

    GCMan, with all due respect, when you were in elementary school, people thought hiding under desks would save them from a nuclear bomb.

  • 11-17-2009 12:36 PM In reply to

    Re: Prominent Russian Scientist: 'We should fear a deep temperature drop -- not catastrophic global warming'

    KELLYBROWN9:

    So true Ms Magoo, a bit on the brash side, but certainly true.

    Goldie, sit down and think for a few minutes about this; of all the hundreds and hundreds of posts made by Magoo that you have read and blindly believed, have any of them ever come true?  Any of them?  Ever?  All this worrying you do after reading this junk, have any of those worries ever became reality?  EVER??? 

    Kellybrown9, I do thank you for your comment but as I've said before I like to research what I read and make decisions for myself.  This is how it works with me if I read something that Mr. Magoo posts and I find it of interest then I research it and make my own decisions. 
  • 11-17-2009 12:39 PM In reply to

    Re: Prominent Russian Scientist: 'We should fear a deep temperature drop -- not catastrophic global warming'

    GCMan:

     When I was in elementary school the scientist were worried about another ice age, now they are worried about global warming.  I think whatever pays the most is the next world issue.  By the way 2012, there is no such thing a a Mayan calendar sorry to spoil the end of the world for everyone :)

    GCMAn, I know it's off topic but is it true there is no Mayan calendar?  Just wondering?
  • 11-17-2009 12:48 PM In reply to

    Re: Prominent Russian Scientist: 'We should fear a deep temperature drop -- not catastrophic global warming'

    Goldie, all I ever ask is that people think about what I post, and many things I have posted have come true ... like this never ending depression ... things will get much worse before they ever get better, and they will never get better with the baffoons we have in congress or the white house.

    GOLDIEC:

    MsMagoo:

    Or you could simply acknowledge that everything posted by Magoo is worthless crap and stop worrying about it.

    It's called fear mongering Goldiec, and you fall for it every time.

     

     

    Actually Ms. Magoo, I fall for nothing.  Mr. Magoo posts information that I myself research and arrive at opinions all by myself with no help from anyone.  Everything that Mr. Magoo posts is something to think about.  You may not agree and after you research the facts you may come up with your own opinions and that's fine.  I have learned quite a bit from things that he has said.  Information can be knowledge if you let it be. I think we all need to research more about the topics brought up on wss.
     
  • 11-17-2009 2:26 PM In reply to

    Re: Prominent Russian Scientist: 'We should fear a deep temperature drop -- not catastrophic global warming'

    "...never ending depression.." False.  "...(things) will never get better..."  False again.  Even the examples that you use in an attempt to show accuracy in your posts are blatantly false.  Sorry to burst your bubble Magoo, but this recession/depression will come to an end and things will get better. 

    Goldiec was encouraged to think of a time when one of your doomsday conspiracy posts actually came true.  She can't do it and neither can you.  Thousands of posts and it's all worthless crap.

    Try posting a real news story from a credible site instead of these fairy tales you keep finding on your obscure sites.

    Prison Planet?  Haha. 

     

  • 11-17-2009 3:50 PM In reply to

    Re: Prominent Russian Scientist: 'We should fear a deep temperature drop -- not catastrophic global warming'

    Mr. Magoo:
    Goldie, all I ever ask is that people think about what I post, and many things I have posted have come true ... like this never ending depression ... things will get much worse before they ever get better, and they will never get better with the baffoons we have in congress or the white house.

    GOLDIEC:

    MsMagoo:

    Or you could simply acknowledge that everything posted by Magoo is worthless crap and stop worrying about it.

    It's called fear mongering Goldiec, and you fall for it every time.

     

     

    Actually Ms. Magoo, I fall for nothing.  Mr. Magoo posts information that I myself research and arrive at opinions all by myself with no help from anyone.  Everything that Mr. Magoo posts is something to think about.  You may not agree and after you research the facts you may come up with your own opinions and that's fine.  I have learned quite a bit from things that he has said.  Information can be knowledge if you let it be. I think we all need to research more about the topics brought up on wss.
     

    Mr. Magoo, I do appreciate appreciate the fact that you do make us think. 

    Ms. Magoo, I question the irony of the fact that you obviously do not appreciate Mr. Magoo's post but that you use the same avatar as Mr. Magoo, that seems very odd to me and I wonder if there is a reason for this and if you are more familiar with Mr. Magoo than what meets the eye here. 

  • 11-17-2009 4:14 PM In reply to

    Re: Prominent Russian Scientist: 'We should fear a deep temperature drop -- not catastrophic global warming'

    Goldie - All the world's a stage and we are merely players (Music by Rush - not the racist Rush, the music group Rush).  Mr. Magoo is a character.  He's not real.  MsMagoo is a character.  She is not real either.  How can you not see that?  Do you honestly believe that Mr. Magoo believes that crap he posts?  It's a game to him to see who he can sucker into believing it and who he can tick off enough to get into an argument.  MsMagoo is the opposite of him.  She is pointing out the utter stupidity in everything he posts and wondering how you can possibly not see how misled you have been.  

     

  • 11-17-2009 5:14 PM In reply to

    Re: Prominent Russian Scientist: 'We should fear a deep temperature drop -- not catastrophic global warming'

    MsMagoo:

    Goldie - All the world's a stage and we are merely players (Music by Rush - not the racist Rush, the music group Rush).  Mr. Magoo is a character.  He's not real.  MsMagoo is a character.  She is not real either.  How can you not see that?  Do you honestly believe that Mr. Magoo believes that crap he posts?  It's a game to him to see who he can sucker into believing it and who he can tick off enough to get into an argument.  MsMagoo is the opposite of him.  She is pointing out the utter stupidity in everything he posts and wondering how you can possibly not see how misled you have been.  

     

    Ms. Magoo, you are so right it is all a game and you are putting way too much effort into thinking that I'm being misled.  I assure you I'm about as crazy as a fox but I'm not sure you will understand the meaning of that.  As far as the world being a stage and us being the players you are so right and I'm a player just like anybody else.  I'm also sure that you have alterior motives here when it comes to Mr. Magoo whether he exists or not and whoever he may be or not be makes no difference because the information that he points out can absolutely be researched and decisions can be made from the research that we do.  The point is to investigate what is going on in the world and come up with your own conclusion.
  • 11-17-2009 7:42 PM In reply to

    Re: Prominent Russian Scientist: 'We should fear a deep temperature drop -- not catastrophic global warming'

    I think she is probably a he, and he is secretly in love with me. 

    GOLDIEC:

    Mr. Magoo:
    Goldie, all I ever ask is that people think about what I post, and many things I have posted have come true ... like this never ending depression ... things will get much worse before they ever get better, and they will never get better with the baffoons we have in congress or the white house.

    GOLDIEC:

    MsMagoo:

    Or you could simply acknowledge that everything posted by Magoo is worthless crap and stop worrying about it.

    It's called fear mongering Goldiec, and you fall for it every time.

     

     

    Actually Ms. Magoo, I fall for nothing.  Mr. Magoo posts information that I myself research and arrive at opinions all by myself with no help from anyone.  Everything that Mr. Magoo posts is something to think about.  You may not agree and after you research the facts you may come up with your own opinions and that's fine.  I have learned quite a bit from things that he has said.  Information can be knowledge if you let it be. I think we all need to research more about the topics brought up on wss.
     

    Mr. Magoo, I do appreciate appreciate the fact that you do make us think. 

    Ms. Magoo, I question the irony of the fact that you obviously do not appreciate Mr. Magoo's post but that you use the same avatar as Mr. Magoo, that seems very odd to me and I wonder if there is a reason for this and if you are more familiar with Mr. Magoo than what meets the eye here. 

     
  • 11-17-2009 10:28 PM In reply to

    Re: Prominent Russian Scientist: 'We should fear a deep temperature drop -- not catastrophic global warming'

    Mr. Magoo:
    I think she is probably a he, and he is secretly in love with me. 

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    ROFL you'd like that magoo, wouldnt you...

  • 11-17-2009 10:36 PM In reply to

    Re: Prominent Russian Scientist: 'We should fear a deep temperature drop -- not catastrophic global warming'

    You old dog.  Swinging both ways?  Somehow I'm not suprised. 

  • 11-17-2009 10:42 PM In reply to

    Re: Prominent Russian Scientist: 'We should fear a deep temperature drop -- not catastrophic global warming'

    ROFL ... based on your picture ... I'm guessing it is you who is a rear-entry kind of guy.

    Jewdakris:

    Mr. Magoo:
    I think she is probably a he, and he is secretly in love with me. 

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    ROFL you'd like that magoo, wouldnt you...

     
  • 11-18-2009 8:39 AM In reply to

    Re: Prominent Russian Scientist: 'We should fear a deep temperature drop -- not catastrophic global warming'

     

    Mr. Magoo:
    ROFL ... based on your picture ... I'm guessing it is you who is a rear-entry kind of guy.

    Jewdakris:

    Mr. Magoo:
    I think she is probably a he, and he is secretly in love with me. 

    ---------------

    ROFL you'd like that magoo, wouldnt you...

     

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    mick jagger and keith richards are rear-entry dudes? hmm.. interesting assertion... though baseless. of course it is possible that a couple of international sex symbols could be secretly gay while sleeping with hundreds if not thousands of women in their time... but really, if mick jagger and keith richards are gay, we'd all probably be gay. poor mr. magoo just cant seem to get no satisfaction. but I guess I've got a little sympathy for the devil. someone needs to get magoo mother's little helper...

    and really magoo, how does a guy whose picture is a dog try to tell someone else his picture (of a couple of the greatest rock musicians of all time) signifies that he is a rear-entry dude... pot calling the kettle black isnt it...

     

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