Unveiled! Hawaii's 1961 long-form birth certificates

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  • 07-29-2009 1:20 PM

    Unveiled! Hawaii's 1961 long-form birth certificates

    Unveiled! Hawaii's 1961 long-form birth certificates
    Real documents include name of doctor, hospital
    Posted: July 28, 2009
    9:35 pm Eastern

    By Jerome R. Corsi
    © 2009 WorldNetDaily


    Eleanor Nordyke displays photostats of her twin daughters' birth certificates (Courtesy Honolulu Advertiser)
    Images of two 1961 Hawaii birth certificates similar to the one President Obama purportedly has on file have now been unveiled.

    The Honolulu Advertiser published photostats of the original long-form birth certificates of twin daughters born to Eleanor Nordyke at Kapi'olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital Aug. 5, 1961, one day after Obama was supposedly born at the same facility.

    The Nordykes' certificates include information missing from the short-form document for Obama published online, including the name of the hospital, the name of the attending physician, name and address of the parents, the race of the parents and the race of the baby.

    As WND reported yesterday, Hawaii's director of health responded to the growing controversy over the White House's
    refusal to release Obama's original long-form birth certificate by issuing a statement about the document in apparent contravention of Hawaiian law.

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    Dr. Chiyome Fukino declared she has seen the "original birth records" that verify Obama was born in Hawaii and is a "natural-born American citizen," the Honolulu Advertiser reported.

    Join in WND's Fedex campaign and tell Obama you don't buy his state-run media coverup!

    But in two separate telephone interviews with WND, Janice Okubo, the health department's public information officer, told WND that Hawaii law prohibited her from commenting on the birth records of any specific person.

    WND also reported the Hawaii Department of Heath affirmed that no paper birth certificate records were destroyed when the department moved to electronic record-keeping in 2001.


    Photostat of Susan Nordyke's 1961 Hawaii birth certificate (Courtesy Honolulu Advertiser)

    The statement to WND by Janice Okubo, public information officer for state's health department, contradicted CNN U.S. President Jon Klein, who ordered host Lou Dobbs to quit discussing Obama's birth certificate on the air. Klein insisted the issue was "dead" because Obama's original long-form birth certificate had been destroyed by the Hawaii DOH in the conversion to electronic files.

    A close examination of the birth certificates issued by Kapi'olani to the Nordyke twins shows the registration number precedes the number given Obama, even though the future president was born a day earlier.

    Susan Nordyke was born at 2:12 p.m. Hawaii time and was given No. 151 – 61 – 10637, which was filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.

    Gretchen Nordyke followed at 2:17 p.m. and was given No. 151 – 61 – 10638, which was also filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.

    According to a version of Obama's purported short-form certificate available from FactCheck.org, Obama was given a higher registration number than the Nordyke twins. The online image indicates the number is No. 151 – 1961 – 10641, even though he was born Aug. 4, 1961, the day before the twins, and his birth was registered with the Hawaii registrar three days earlier, Aug. 8, 1961.

    The middle figure in Obama's purported registration also is different than the Nordykes'. Obama's is 1961, indicating the year, while the Nordykes' is merely 61.

    One explanation for the out-of-order serial numbers might be that several serialized stacks of birth certificates were made available at different hospitals.

    Another possibility is that Obama's number is not a genuine registration number created in 1961 but was issued when the short-form document was generated during the 2008 presidential campaign.

    Eleanor Nordyke told WND she thinks her twins got lower numbers because she went into the hospital Aug. 4, 1961, and was in labor for 20 hours before she delivered. She speculates that Ann Dunham came in after her and was given a later number, even though Dunham's baby was born earlier. Nordyke's twins were not born until the afternoon of the next day.

    WND was unable to receive a response from Hawaii officials regarding the state's procedure for issuing registration numbers.

    Meanwhile, an image of an apparently fraudulent Kenyan certificate of birth circulated on the Web today from an unknown source. It alleged Obama was born in Mombasa. But a contributor at FreeRepublic.com debunked it, declaring "Busted!"

    He pointed out that the background text, in Dutch, explained, in a rough translation, "This is not a government document. This is political commentary."

    It's not just Obama's original birth certificate at issue. WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.

    Note: Members of the news media wishing to interview Jerome Corsi, Joseph Farah, Joe Kovacs, Chelsea Schilling, Les Kinsolving or Bob Unruh on this issue, please contact WND.
  • 07-29-2009 1:25 PM In reply to

    Re: Unveiled! Hawaii's 1961 long-form birth certificates

    wow

  • 07-29-2009 1:37 PM In reply to

    Re: Unveiled! Hawaii's 1961 long-form birth certificates

    wow what? innad, did you even read this? Eleanor Nordyke told WND she thinks her twins got lower numbers because she went into the hospital Aug. 4, 1961, and was in labor for 20 hours before she delivered. She speculates that Ann Dunham came in after her and was given a later number, even though Dunham's baby was born earlier. Nordyke's twins were not born until the afternoon of the next day.

    sounds pretty likely to me. sounds like a much more logical and reasonable reason than any single birther accusation.

  • 07-29-2009 1:48 PM In reply to

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    That is strictly speculation.

    Jewdakris:

    wow what? innad, did you even read this? Eleanor Nordyke told WND she thinks her twins got lower numbers because she went into the hospital Aug. 4, 1961, and was in labor for 20 hours before she delivered. She speculates that Ann Dunham came in after her and was given a later number, even though Dunham's baby was born earlier. Nordyke's twins were not born until the afternoon of the next day.

    sounds pretty likely to me. sounds like a much more logical and reasonable reason than any single birther accusation.

     
  • 07-29-2009 1:58 PM In reply to

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    magoo! so is EVERYTHING YOU POST! you only ever post SPECULATION!

  • 07-29-2009 2:01 PM In reply to

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    what about the fact that on his birth certificate the whole number of the year shows up instead of just 61? sounds like reasonable doubt to me.

  • 07-29-2009 2:12 PM In reply to

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    sounds to me like baseless assumption and pointless speculation, but to each their own. birthers will never quit, even if jesus himself handed them obama's birth certificate, because its all about money and the longer they can keep up this charade, the more money they generate from the poor souls who believe/follow them.

  • 07-29-2009 2:20 PM In reply to

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    oh, so many doubting thomas's. I want you to take the following idea and just chew on it a little bit, roll it over your tongue, get it stuck in your teeth:

    I have never seen Jesus's birth certificate, or any proof that he even existed. The bible was written completely by men and the catholic's trimmed out all of the books they did not like (there are way more than four gospels). Hundreds of millions of people believe Jesus is the son of god, yet they have know proof. They have not seen, heard or felt Jesus, they have not touched his scragly beard or dirty robes, never even seen his old smelly sandals. There are no holy relics that the bible speaks of (or at least none have been found) such as the arc of the covenant, the "holy grail" which is really just a cup. And the best part, all you believers out there, is that if he came back today exactly as he "was" 2000 yrs ago (aka a hobo) most of you believers would not recognize him for what he is.

    I WILL GIVE $100,000 IF ANYBODY CAN SHOW ME PROOF THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD! I don't own a silver shop though... 

  • 07-29-2009 2:44 PM In reply to

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    speaker, I've said it before and I'll say it again, hypocrisy is the weapon of the bigoted. great post.

  • 07-29-2009 2:55 PM In reply to

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    I agree Speaker, however, I would add, do not try to show me proof using their "holy book", because that was written by men, translated, copied, translated, etc. over hundreds and thousands of years. By the stroke of evolution, being born where they were, to parents that they were, they consider themselves Christian, and the only holders of the truth. If they would have been born in India or Indonesia or Japan or China or Turkey or Thailand or, or, or, they would be arguing the flip side of that coin. Tell me, where this Jesus is who said, and I am quoting from the New International Version Matthew 24:34, "I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."

  • 08-01-2009 10:31 PM In reply to

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    If you atheists need a name for your group how about national atheist group - you can then be proud NAGS

    Generation may mean something different to Jesus than what you have in mind Sagamore

  • 08-01-2009 10:49 PM In reply to

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    Sounds to me like the birth certificate thing is settled.

  • 08-02-2009 9:55 AM In reply to

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    WOW, great insight? Not!        You must be kidding.

    Looks pretty silly to me to draw any conclusions from a lack of a birth certificate from Jesus. Actually dumber than silly.

  • 08-02-2009 10:35 AM In reply to

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    No.  Not everything.

    Jewdakris:

    magoo! so is EVERYTHING YOU POST! you only ever post SPECULATION!

     
  • 08-02-2009 10:37 AM In reply to

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    Jesus does not exist.  FYI, he died about 2000 years ago.

    Jewdakris:

    sounds to me like baseless assumption and pointless speculation, but to each their own. birthers will never quit, even if jesus himself handed them obama's birth certificate, because its all about money and the longer they can keep up this charade, the more money they generate from the poor souls who believe/follow them.

     
  • 08-02-2009 10:39 AM In reply to

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    Mute arguement.  I want to see God's birth certificate. 

    Speaker4theDead:

    oh, so many doubting thomas's. I want you to take the following idea and just chew on it a little bit, roll it over your tongue, get it stuck in your teeth:

    I have never seen Jesus's birth certificate, or any proof that he even existed. The bible was written completely by men and the catholic's trimmed out all of the books they did not like (there are way more than four gospels). Hundreds of millions of people believe Jesus is the son of god, yet they have know proof. They have not seen, heard or felt Jesus, they have not touched his scragly beard or dirty robes, never even seen his old smelly sandals. There are no holy relics that the bible speaks of (or at least none have been found) such as the arc of the covenant, the "holy grail" which is really just a cup. And the best part, all you believers out there, is that if he came back today exactly as he "was" 2000 yrs ago (aka a hobo) most of you believers would not recognize him for what he is.

    I WILL GIVE $100,000 IF ANYBODY CAN SHOW ME PROOF THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD! I don't own a silver shop though... 

     
  • 08-02-2009 10:41 AM In reply to

    Re: Unveiled! Hawaii's 1961 long-form birth certificates

    I don't belong to any group.

    pitbull ninja:

    If you atheists need a name for your group how about national atheist group - you can then be proud NAGS

    Generation may mean something different to Jesus than what you have in mind Sagamore

     
  • 08-02-2009 10:42 AM In reply to

    Re: Unveiled! Hawaii's 1961 long-form birth certificates

    Hardly.

     

    LISA BEZAK:

    Sounds to me like the birth certificate thing is settled.

  • 08-02-2009 10:43 AM In reply to

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    Indeed.

    surveybob:

    WOW, great insight? Not!        You must be kidding.

    Looks pretty silly to me to draw any conclusions from a lack of a birth certificate from Jesus. Actually dumber than silly.

     
  • 08-03-2009 11:14 AM In reply to

    Re: Unveiled! Hawaii's 1961 long-form birth certificates

    magoo, you wouldn't believe God's birth certificate was real and you know it :)
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