Big day for the World Tomorrow

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  • 06-25-2009 10:09 PM

    Big day for the World Tomorrow

    We are 24 hours away from the most important climate vote of our lives. Everything hangs in the balance.

    Either the House passes the American Clean Energy and Security Act and we carry forward with the goal of retiring fossil fuels. Or, we lose the vote and probably any chance of confronting the devastating threats of run-away global warming for the foreseeable future.

     

     

                  Key Features of the American Clean Energy and Security Act

    • Sets a declining cap on greenhouse gas emissions at 17% below 2005 levels by 2020 and 83% by 2050
    • Establishes a cap-and-trade program to spur investment in clean energy technologies and new manufacturing jobs
    • Promotes clean energy by requiring that 20% of electricity comes from renewable sources such as wind, solar, certain types of biofuels, and energy efficiency by 2020
    • Protects the competitiveness of energy-intensive industries (like steel and concrete) by giving them free permits, or allowances, to emit a certain amount of greenhouse gases in the early years; this helps solve the problem of international competition from uncapped countries
    • Keeps utility rates low for consumers by giving 30% of allowances to local electricity and natural gas companies, and requiring the utilities to pass the benefits on to their customers
    • Protects low- and moderate-income households by allocating 15% of allowances to minimize impacts on these households
    • Provides an incentive for other countries without a cap on carbon to limit their emissions, by allowing the president to impose fees on carbon-intensive imports from nations that haven’t adopted their own greenhouse gas cap (starting in 2025)

    More About What the Bill Will Do

    Naturally, we at EDF are most excited about the declining cap on greenhouse gases. And we'll get to that—not to worry. But there's a lot more. Here are the highlights of the 946-page bill:

    Requires utilities to use more renewable energy

    Many states require that utilities get a certain share of their energy from renewable sources, like wind or solar. Waxman-Markey would take this idea nationwide: it would require big electric utilities to rely on renewable sources for 6% of their energy in 2012, rising to 20% in 2020.

    What counts as renewable? Quite a few things: wind, solar, geothermal, some hydropower projects, ocean energy, certain types of biogas and biofuels, landfill gas, coal mine methane, and certain waste-to-energy facilities. Not nuclear, though: including nuclear power would swallow up the whole program and lead to no new renewable sources.

    This part of the bill also creates programs that will support research into storing carbon pollution from power plants deep underground. This technology, called carbon capture and sequestration, could make it possible to continue to rely on our abundant supplies of coal while vastly reducing the pollution they create.

    Encourages energy efficiency

    Up to two-fifths of the 20% renewable energy requirement can be met through improving energy efficiency. The bill would create a wide range of programs to encourage just that.

    For example, it would get the Department of Energy involved in pushing states and cities to adopt greener building codes. And it would promote the manufacture and sale of highly efficient refrigerators, light fixtures, air conditioners and other appliances.

    Sets a declining cap on carbon pollution

    At last.

    The bill would put a national economy-wide cap on greenhouse gas emissions by large sources—coal-fired power plants, large factories, natural gas suppliers, and fuels. The cap will be phased in over the next few years—on electricity and home heating oil in 2012, for example, and on natural gas in 2016.

    Here are the targets for covered sources:

    • 3% by 2012
    • 17% by 2020
    • 42% by 2030
    • 83% by 2050

    The bill's 2020 pollution cuts would be equal to taking 500 million cars off the road. Those reductions would double by 2030.

    Companies covered under the bill will need to have a permit—called an "allowance"—to emit greenhouse gases. Every year, the number of allowances for the covered sectors will shrink. And companies can trade allowances with each other, so whoever can reduce emissions most cheaply can profit by selling their excess allowances. Learn more about how the cap works and creates jobs while cutting pollution.

    Cap and trade is a proven tool: the U.S. acid rain program dramatically cut sulfur dioxide pollution in the 1990s at 30% of the projected cost.

    To minimize consumer impacts, and to help energy-intensive businesses compete with companies in nations that have not capped their carbon pollution, the bill gives away some allowances for free in the early years.

    All told, consumers will get more than 60% of the value of the allowances. Over 30% will go to households: 15% directly in the form of tax credits and other payments; 1.5% for home heating oil use; and roughly 15% indirectly through benefits that utilities are required to pass on to end-users.

    Confirming this point, a new analysis by Point Carbon, a market analysis firm, says that under Waxman-Markey, consumers would receive around $750 billion in direct and indirect payments through 2030 to offset higher energy costs and pay for energy efficiency upgrades.

    In addition, about 15% of the allowances will, in the early years, be given away for free to U.S. industries—like steel, cement and glass—that use large amounts of energy and are exposed to imports from countries that don't yet have carbon caps.

    Roughly 5% of the allowances will be used to secure additional emissions cuts from reduced deforestation, including preservation of tropical rainforests.

    Where other allowances are going

    • 2% for adaptation programs in the U.S., and another 2% for such programs internationally (including clean technology transfer) (both programs ramp up substantially in later years)
    • 3% to the auto industry to encourage production of advanced technology vehicles (ramps down to 1% in 2018, phases out by 2026)
    • 7% for state efficiency and renewable energy programs and improved building codes
    • 2% to create incentives for deployment of carbon capture and storage (CCS), rising to 5% starting in 2018
    • 5% for universities to conduct energy R&D

    This sweeping legislation, crafted with broad support from the business and environmental communities, puts the United States on a path toward capping its carbon pollution. And that is the first big step to preventing catastrophic climate change.

  • 06-26-2009 1:38 AM In reply to

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     And the Bashing begins in 3,2,1....Let's hear from the Three stooges...come on tell us how this is worst thing to ever happen...Global warming is a lie to control our lives...yadda, yadda, yadda,...did I miss one...

  • 06-26-2009 1:54 AM In reply to

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     Only thing you missed was Seti is a self proclaimed Commie thats in love with Al Gore.

  • 06-26-2009 3:48 AM In reply to

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     Yeah I totally missed that...

    Ok how about I add some fuel...global warming...Carbon Credits...hmm...I say too little too late...at least as far as stopping it in time to make much difference anyway.

    Now I do think this will drive Technology in the Alternative Energy fields since the cost will be competitive.  Now while they are it they should do the same sort of thing for Nuclear Energy.  Make it so the cost of storage and disposal is paid up front and that should end the whole idea that Nuclear is cheap or green...I wonder if this legislation will have any effect on urban sprawl...hmm...and what about this scenario say you have two products one made here and one made in China...Should not the product being shipped around the world have more carbon costs than the product made here?  Shouldn't this make people want to manufacture close to the point of use to reduce the tax burden?  Hmm interesting...

  • 06-26-2009 9:06 AM In reply to

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    Temperatures are cyclical, always have been (research the recorded data), always will be. And no scientist can prove otherwise. Why buy into the biggest fraud perpetrated upon a sheeple population. What scientific evidence do you present?

    All they present are their models, different ones at that (being speculation I guess you would expect that), that speculate on different theories.

    Theories are not science.

  • 06-26-2009 9:09 AM In reply to

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    "Solar Variability and Global Climatic Change .......

    Testing the projections

    How can the computer forecasts of the climate 100 years into the future be verified? The rules of science give clear guidance on how to test this or any hypothesis. Richard Feynman, physicist at the California Institute of Technology and Nobel Laureate, takes the view of Poincar� 2On the role of experiment: "Experiment is the sole source of truth. It alone can teach us something new; it alone can give us certainty." (Poincar� 1902, part IV, ch. 9)." ....

  • 06-26-2009 12:39 PM In reply to

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     This legislation is trickery and is just another way to scam and further tax America.I'm all for a clean environment but the way to achieve that is to encourage and reward homeowners and business owners in becoming completely self sufficient concerning energy,then there is no need for a new power grid.The reason this legislation is over 1200 pages is so it cannot be read.How many of them do you think  actually read so many pages of garbage.The corrupt government wants to control us with nonstop unjust regulations and ever increasing taxes.They want to be able to come into your home and install THEIR thermostat so THEY can CONTROL your environment.Do not let them succeed in turning us into slaves.Resist our unjust governments schemes.Develop and produce new technology instead of new oppressive laws and regulations.

  • 06-26-2009 1:40 PM In reply to

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     I did not think we were debating Global warming...We already had that discussion...We were talking about this new legislation...There is clearly good evidence for both sides of this one...Although it has been shown that the oil companies (BP and Exxon Mobil in Particular) have spent millions and millions funding research to support thier claim that Global warming is a Hoax...The whole intention of this research (as stated in internal memo's) was to make Global warming look as though there is not a scientific agreement on it.  And that research has been very effective...you guys all bought into it...

    But anyway we were discussing this new legislation...This is a game changer for the whole economy...this will be interesting...This will radically change things...interesting...expensive....What a wonderful time to be alive....this should be fun...

  • 06-26-2009 1:43 PM In reply to

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    FYI, we already are slaves to the government ... ever heard of the income tax?

    pitbull ninja:
    Do not let them succeed in turning us into slaves
     

  • 06-26-2009 3:29 PM In reply to

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      Yeah,just wait till everyones income taxes are raised and nobody can escape new gas taxes and high utility rates.Then the bo voters will be bitching and asking for somebody to fix the problems.Unless you know of someone better,Ron paul may be our only hope for emancipation. 

  • 06-26-2009 4:13 PM In reply to

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    Oh no, no additional taxes (or less) on those that make < $250,000.

  • 06-26-2009 5:12 PM In reply to

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    surveybob:

    Oh no, no additional taxes (or less) on those that make < $250,000.

    and 4 million new jobs and a healthcare plan just like the congress!!

  • 06-27-2009 5:33 AM In reply to

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     What a sad day for america, unlike the politicians on capital hill that didn't read the bill before voting on it Seti knew what it was all about.

     

    Folks say hello to the largest tax increase bill in the history of the ONCE great nation. You can now start to budget in twice the amount of taxes paid on energy costs, a guess-timated amount of about $3000-$3500 more a year out of your pockets.

     

    Wonder how the people that live below poverty level feel about Obama now?

  • 06-29-2009 3:48 PM In reply to

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     Much better investment than that damn war in Iraq...

    Woo Hoo...About time we went after the Carbon...too little too late for Global Warming but a needed change anyway...and 3,500/yr not to bad...

    Now if we could just get a Luxury Tax on things like Planes, Boats, Hummers, Lexus's that sort of thing...that should not affect people under 250K...use that to pay for this carbon tax...woo hoo...God Bless America...Heck it's almost worth 3500 just to hear the stooges whine and cry...oh they are ruining the Country...whan...oh he is making us look weak...boohoo...oh he is turning us into a Socialist Government...Mommy...

  • 06-29-2009 6:04 PM In reply to

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    Facts are facts, whether your MOMMY understands them or not.

  • 06-29-2009 8:31 PM In reply to

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    Robert Biegler:

     Much better investment than that damn war in Iraq...

    Woo Hoo...About time we went after the Carbon...too little too late for Global Warming but a needed change anyway...and 3,500/yr not to bad...

    Now if we could just get a Luxury Tax on things like Planes, Boats, Hummers, Lexus's that sort of thing...that should not affect people under 250K...use that to pay for this carbon tax...woo hoo...God Bless America...Heck it's almost worth 3500 just to hear the stooges whine and cry...oh they are ruining the Country...whan...oh he is making us look weak...boohoo...oh he is turning us into a Socialist Government...Mommy...

    Who do you think Is keeping you and and your family safe the military? Global warming is a joke. You don't think someone that earns under 250k can own a plane,boat,Hummer or Lexus. Where do you live Fantasy Island? GOD BLESS AMERICA is the only thing you got right.
  • 06-29-2009 10:30 PM In reply to

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    Doolittle, it is a shame that so many in our country do not understand, have not been educated/taught, that "God Bless America" carries responsibilities before it carries rights.

  • 06-29-2009 11:26 PM In reply to

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    Robert Biegler:

     Much better investment than that damn war in Iraq...

    Woo Hoo...About time we went after the Carbon...too little too late for Global Warming but a needed change anyway...and 3,500/yr not to bad...

    Now if we could just get a Luxury Tax on things like Planes, Boats, Hummers, Lexus's that sort of thing...that should not affect people under 250K...use that to pay for this carbon tax...woo hoo...God Bless America...Heck it's almost worth 3500 just to hear the stooges whine and cry...oh they are ruining the Country...whan...oh he is making us look weak...boohoo...oh he is turning us into a Socialist Government...Mommy...

     

     

     

    $3500 a year not bad? Ok Robert we'll leave that up to you to go into the projects ( Lets say, maybe Detroit) when people are freezing to death or burning up because they cant afford their electric bill since Obama is shutting down the coal industry, oh and while you're at it when all those people that are out of work because of it you can explain to them that $3500 a year isnt bad, oh and dont forget about all the people that work in the gas and oil industry too when they start losing their jobs because of the Al Gore myth about global warming. Thats right you just sit in your comfy little house with your illegal mexican buddies and laugh it up at all the people unemployed because of this bill.  OH And while you're at it, go talk to the rancher that has horses and cattle and pigs and sheep and explain to him the $3500 a year on top of the $175 a year tax they have to pay on EACH head of livestock (Yes folks $175 a year per animal) that they have because they fart methane gas, tell that to the little old lady next door to your illegal mexican pals when she cant afford to eat because the rancher/farmer just jacked his prices up to cover that tax.

    Good and Bad side? Looks all Bad to me.

  • 06-30-2009 1:09 AM In reply to

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    James you really overlooked the best point of another garbage bill, the most transparent government in history! ALL BILLS WILL BE POSTED!!!! guess pignozi forgot to post it in her hurry to burn some carbon based fuel flying home!!

  • 06-30-2009 1:11 AM In reply to

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     Sorry you folks feel that way...lol..

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