Massive Debt Fueling What Looks Like a Long Recession

Last post 07-13-2008 9:16 AM by BigNeerav. 3 replies.
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  • 07-13-2008 7:06 AM

    Massive Debt Fueling What Looks Like a Long Recession

    This week's problems at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are more evidence of a painful fact for the economy: the extent to which mortgage-related debt is exacerbating the current slide, and how it will prolong what more and more analysts are calling a recession.

    Piles of high-risk debt offset by comparatively little capital led the two mortgage giants into their current capital issues. The same situation is being played out in countless banks across the country, where billions of dollars in mortgage holdings are rapidly losing their value as housing prices plummet and foreclosures accelerate.

    The sum total of the damage: a recessionary environment that may not seem as deep as other economic downturns, but which could last longer as banks work their way through the myriad problems caused by a lack of liquidity.

    Consumer, banks, investors, Corporate America-everyone is going to feel pain from the depths of their debt and their efforts to get out from under it.

    "The debt crisis that we've got here is significant," said Sebastian Leburn, chief investment officer at Weiss Capital Management in Del Ray Beach, Fla. "It's going to be rippling through the economy for a few years. It's probably going to keep interest rates below where they should be for a considerable period of time."

    As banks remain hesitant to loan out money for fear of jeopardizing their balance sheets, the economy will continue to languish. While a typical recession lasts about 10 months, some analysts are expecting this one to last twice as long.

    "You're going to see some debt retrenching over the next couple of years, which is going to be a headwind for the economy," Leburn said. "You're going to be dealing with a much slower rate of growth for corporate profits for some time."

    Weiss Capital has taken the position that the economy already is in a recession—and has been in one since late 2007—even though some indicators, such as gross domestic product, don't necessarily indicate one in a technical sense.

    Falling housing prices triggered the recession, Leburn said. Lower property values not only hit homeowners but also lending institutions and the holders of complicated financial vehicles whose value was tied to real estate. Lenders like Freddie and Fannie meanwhile, were allowed to hold cash reserves far below the value of the debt they were guaranteeing, leading Lehman Brothers on Monday to question the capital positions of the two government-sponsored enterprises and setting off a frenzy on Wall Street.

    Echoing Through the Economy

    In the economy, such problems play out in a number of ways.

    In order to inject liquidity back into the marketplace, the Federal Reserve since September has embarked on an aggressive rate-cutting strategy intended to encourage banks to lend. But banks instead have become far tighter with money, both on fears of defaults and foreclosures and in an attempt to shore up their battered balance sheets.

    The result has been a dual debt-and-credit crisis that analysts expect to take several years to unwind and which will stand in the way of any major upsurges for the economy.

    And with the economy badly needing growth, the Fed is unlikely, as some have been advocating, to raise rates, which would be a further incentive for banks to tighten money. At a time when consumers are getting pounded by rising energy prices, the economy can hardly stand anti-growth policies, Leburn said.

    "Ultimately the US is just highly indebted to the world. Until we enact some more longer-term prudent fiscal measures that contain spending and we don't listen too much to special-interest groups ... until we put some kind of fiscal restraint on our government, it's going to be a challenge for the country," he said. "The United States is still the greatest country in the world. We'll get through it. This will probably make us stronger, but we have to go through some pain."

    Tom Higgins, chief economist at Los Angeles-based Payden & Rygel, also believes the economy is in recession and calls talks of a Fed rate hike "ludicrous." Higgins pointed out that most lending rates actually have climbed since the central bank started cutting rates, and increases at this point would only add to the pain.

    With money as tight as it is, consumers saddled with about $14 trillion in personal debt cannot be relied upon to guide the economy from its doldrums. That has led Higgins to conclude that while the recession may be shallow and end perhaps by the close of 2008, the recovery will be so slow that it might be hard to tell the difference.

    "Let's say that when the economy is firing on all cylinders, growth is about 3.5 or 4 percent. We'll probably be growing south of 2 percent for an extended period of time, and that's primarily because consumer spending is going to become lackluster," he said. "The economy will have to rely on exports and hopefully business activity to drive economic activity."

    The Fed may start to look at rate increases to control inflation by June 2009, after the worst of the financial crisis has passed, Higgins said.

    In the near future, economists may find deflation a more pressing problem, both Higgins and Leburn said, as home prices continue to deteriorate and people see the value of their most precious asset decline.

    From an investment standpoint, Leburn said stocks will be highly risky. He recommends high-quality bonds, traditional Wall Street leaders and some commodities. Only after the debt crisis unwinds will it be safe to get back in the market.

    "The issue we have is the massive amounts of credit in the system," he said. "However you measure it, private debt is off the charts."

  • 07-13-2008 7:37 AM In reply to

    Re: Massive Debt Fueling What Looks Like a Long Recession

    I WONDER WASN'T ANYONE WATCHING WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE FINANCIAL SECTOR BEFORE THIS NIGHTMARE WITH ALL THE LOANS?  IF WE HANDLED OUR BUSINESS MATTERS LIKE THIS I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'D ALL BE RIGHT NOW. IT SEEMS TO ME THE PROFESSIONALS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN WATCHING AND APPARENTLY WEREN'T SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS MESS THAT HAS HURT SO MANY PEOPLE.  THERE'S A FEW THINGS I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND.  ONE IS THIS BANKING DISASTER AND THE OTHER ONE IS I NEVER UNDERSTOOD WHAT HAPPENED WITH KATRINA IN NEW ORLEANS. THE IDEA THAT IT TOOK PLACE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA LEAVES ME SPEECHLESS WHICH MIGHT I ADD IS A HARD THING TO DO.  I COULD TALK FOR HOURS AND HOURS ON ANY SUBJECT BUT I HAVE TO ASK DON'T WE HAVE WATCHDOGS? THE BANKERS HAVE A NIGHTMARE ON THEIR HANDS. THE REAL ESTATE PROFESSION HAS BEEN HIT HARD.  THE APPRAISERS ARE SUFFERING AND ON AND ON.  THERE SEEMS TO BE NO ACCOUNTABILITY. I COULD BE WRONG BUT FROM WHERE I'M SITTING THAT'S HOW IT LOOKS TO ME.

  • 07-13-2008 8:34 AM In reply to

    Re: Massive Debt Fueling What Looks Like a Long Recession

    GOLDIEC, no arguement from me.

  • 07-13-2008 9:16 AM In reply to

    Re: Massive Debt Fueling What Looks Like a Long Recession

    surveybob:
    GOLDIEC, no arguement from me.

    Same here.......had the situation been watched even mroe carefully, this disaster would have been averted possibly. I agree completely with everything that Goldiec mentioned......it is shame that irresponsibility took over and that caused us to be in the economic situation that we are currently in. This to me reeks of the "Savings and Loan" scandal of the 1980s, but possibly equal to that in magnitude, which did not do well for the U.S. economy back then, but has to do with giving out bad loans to consumers who do not have the money to pay it back, and to the bad consumers who are responsible for the sheer idiocy of taking those loans, knowing thier bad economic situation. I would say both the banks AND the American consumer are to blame for the economic situation that we are in today.

    I say let Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac fall.......unfortunately, the only way that both the banks and the American consumer can learn to quite being irresponsible with borrowing (loaning) and spending is to learn the hard way, that way, the lesson can be ingrained into them and they will not make the same mistake again. I do not see any other way that the American people will "get it". Yes, that will mean a prolonged recession, but when we are done with it, we will "hopefully" see the error of our ways and learn not to make the same mistakes again, especially when the Federal Reserve cuts interest rates to low such low levels, as was done during the Greenspan Era. We can only hope that the banks and the American people learn thier lesson, abliet the hard way, unless they want to go through this again, which I would doubt after going through such economic times, as we are now with a long and deep recession (possibly stagflation with the elevated levels of inflation). 

    I also agree on more government regulation of such organizations as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (as well as Indy Mac and Ginne Mae), and I hope that whoever is elected President and whoever holds the power(s) in Congress will institute better regulation of these organization. Better yet, I hope the entire banking and financial sector of our economy gets overhauled, whether that means more regulation or better enforcement of the ones currently on the books in order to prevent yet another "Savings and Loans scandal", or rather, a "Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac scandal", which would cause such trouble for our economy. Whatever the solution that our government, either the current one or the new regime that will take over Congress and the White House in January 2009 will hoepfully make sure that this does not happen again.    

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