So, I take your a big supporter of Fossil Fuels. In about 30 years, at the present rate the latest climate change models show that we would have reached a tipping point where whatever we do or implement at that time will be too late to stop the runaway heating of the earth's surface.

And, here's the bad news. the latest data shows that the models mentioned above are exceeding their worst case scenario.

What good is it if we discover more oil tommorow than exists on the entire planet today, if in another generation or so there won't be that many of us around.

I know this sounds alarmist, but that's because for the first time in my 54 years on this earth, I am.!.

I was around when the United States and the former Soviet Union were in a stranglehold called MAD,(Mutual Assured Destruction). Don't ever recall even being concerned about it. Just knew that we' couldn't possibly be stupid enough to blow each other up, (and the rest of the world with us).

But this ,this is different and the evidence is growing exponentially on an annual basis.

So, am I just an alarmist, or do people who think that in 30 years everthing will still be here, need to get with the program of how do we extract ourselves from this dependency that will end our existance as we know it.

Let the real Manhatten Project begin...this is alarmist  oh well!

p.s. anyone seen any asteroids heading toward us lately.

 

 

I read somewhere probably 6-8 y0ears ago, that  (at that time) we had used up half of the available oil in the first 150 years - How long would it take to use the other half?  That shocked me!  During the 1st 50 years, there were few real users.  Today virtually  every continent has grown dependent on oil.  Lets have a race to burn up the last drop.  Then and probably only then will we truly seek alternative methiods.  In the meantime, enjoy that $5 gallon, and the 15 miles it may take you.

Darik

No I'm a big fan of MONEY and right now I think it's in SOLAR cause I live in Florida and That damn sun is HOT here

Political..it is 100% political.  Right down to the discussions currently being held on Global Warming where ALL of the data is now and finally being scrutinized to such a degree that inconsistancies on the climate models are being looked at.

What I do not question is the localized temperature fluctuations which I would suspect are as a direct result of urban development. Urban development leads to micro-climates where the development itself causes temperature fluctuations and weather pattern changes (butterfly effect).  The Global Warming data is carefully manipulated to glorify this phenomina and say it is from emmissions. I personally find this hard to believe because in the micro-climate scenerio, we are going to have the majority of the planet's population living in city centers.  Further development MINUS emmissions net the same results; localized temperature increases, poorer air quality AND decreasing percipitation.  Not ONE piece of data has looked into this phenomina, it focuses instead on events that have already happened and conveniently threw some numbers at it to say it was as a direct result of emmissions.

Where I do believe that we are experiencing climate change, be more realistic and look at all factors before shoving news stories down our throats.  Al Gore has done nothing more than tell people what and how to think and litterally said that if you don't believe in what he says, you are as stupid as those who believe the earth is flat and we have never been to the moon.  The deffinition for what Al Gore is doing is; manipulating using fear to acheive a desired result without questionning and ridiculing those that challenge the data.

Seems to me that we are all the fools. They are robbing us blindly, leading us to think that we are running out of fuel. Needless to say that these companies are making millions off of us, while they sit in their air conditioned rooms smiling saying "Oh maybe someday we will care about the economy". Until these companies quit being so greedy, we are going to have to pay their mortgages.

 Supply is the overall concern. The world's population has grown, along with the number of vehicles. I think it would be smart to put a cap on the price of fuel. Its getting to the point that we are having to spend our entire paychecks on fuel. Why should I work, if all that I am paying for is fuel? That isn't right!

On the bright side, one of the stocks I have for coal has gone up. Does that surprise you? 

 

back in the 70's oil was $10 a barrel and we had gas lines and talk of shortages. now 35 years later oil is still coming out of the ground and it is $130 a barrel and there are no lines.  wake up people its just a game. in kuwait a country that we saved from evil is selling gas for 80 cents a gallon at the pumps.

Remember the 70's 

tommyshinta:

So what do you all think? Are we really running out of oil? or is this just a HUGE scandal to rob us of our money by hiking up the gas prices?at 1st i believed it was the truth but nowdays im starting to think the opposite. If it is true then why are our oil reserves at a alltime high? and why is there more oil available than before? and if so why havent they put consumption restrictions on it or made us use alternative heating methods to conserve the oil? Just food for thought..Im

Actually, it is a renewable source ... but we have been using it faster than it is being renewed.

We need other sources of energy because we are energy guzzlers.  If we weren't, we could manage with houses built thick enough to conserve heat in winter and stay cooler in the summer.  Many new homes are built more efficiently ... energy bills for a larger home costing less than the old house is common now.

Good Luck to all....

 

I have also heard recently that some scientists are saying that the earth does produce oil, quite different than the former belief that it came from decaying matter from millions or years ago. Who knows what is really the truth. Though I still firmly believe that there is plenty of oil, we're just not drilling for it.

Sometimes I wonder about Hydrogen cars, when we finally have too many cars emitting water vapor into the air, will we then start b&*ching about too much rain?

 

kev

The abiotic theory of oil production has been tested, but it is controversial to say the least, and has come under intense criticism from peer review. It does not account for the amount nor the location of existing fossil fuel deposits. In short, a very, very small amount of methane and hydrocarbons may be produced by purely geological processes, but not in any significant quantities. Even if there WAS some sort of continuous process which magically generated oil from the region between the earth's mantle and the core, the fact remains that the earth's atmosphere is not infinite and our biosphere could not handle the amount of carbon uptake were we to start burning it in earnest. Take it from me -- both branches of my family worked in either tar sands extraction, or in industries that were heavy users of oil byproducts. My dad is an organic chemist and he just shakes his head when he hears these hypotheses. The thing is, our society is so dependent on oil, we desperately want to cling to any shred of hope that we are going to be able to continue our high-energy-use Western way of life. (This includes fossil fuel supported agriculture, the so called Green Revolution that has led to the current boom in population.) There's several books and websites that outline what is in store for us, and instead of being depressed about it, we should start doing things -- planning, making investments in localized economies, alternative energy and public transportation -- to try to ensure a more-or-less orderly transition to a post-carbon economy. I say more-or-less because there is going to be a good deal of upheaval; I can only suggest that we stop taking everything we currently enjoy for granted. For a glimpse of what that might be like, in an enjoyable bit of fiction, I can recomment J.H. Kunstler's new novel "World Made By Hand," a look at what life in a small upstate New York town might be like around the year 2040. It more closely resembles 1840 than The Jetsons, in case you are wondering.

Seti03:

So, I take your a big supporter of Fossil Fuels. In about 30 years, at the present rate the latest climate change models show that we would have reached a tipping point where whatever we do or implement at that time will be too late to stop the runaway heating of the earth's surface.

And, here's the bad news. the latest data shows that the models mentioned above are exceeding their worst case scenario.

What good is it if we discover more oil tommorow than exists on the entire planet today, if in another generation or so there won't be that many of us around.

I know this sounds alarmist, but that's because for the first time in my 54 years on this earth, I am.!.

I was around when the United States and the former Soviet Union were in a stranglehold called MAD,(Mutual Assured Destruction). Don't ever recall even being concerned about it. Just knew that we' couldn't possibly be stupid enough to blow each other up, (and the rest of the world with us).

But this ,this is different and the evidence is growing exponentially on an annual basis.

So, am I just an alarmist, or do people who think that in 30 years everthing will still be here, need to get with the program of how do we extract ourselves from this dependency that will end our existance as we know it.

Let the real Manhatten Project begin...this is alarmist  oh well!

p.s. anyone seen any asteroids heading toward us lately.

 

 

I'm also 54 and everyone said back in the 60,s that the world was ending, and so on and so on.  Now its the same old thing.  I've learned that when God wants the earth to die out then it will.  I'm not going to live my life scared of living and stressing out.  If the earth had Global Warming, it would have happend millions of years ago.Things do change, there is no doubt.  But its always been that way.  So sometime in the future, we won't be using gas, it will be something else.

Ethanol !