Real Unemployment Rate 17.5%

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  • 11-19-2009 7:03 PM

    Real Unemployment Rate 17.5%

    The 'Real' Jobless Rate: 17.5% Of Workers Are Unemployed
    EMPLOYMENT, UNEMPLOYMENT, JOBLESS RATE, U-6, U-3, RECOVERY, STOCK MARKET NEWS
    Posted By: Jeff Cox | CNBC.com
    CNBC.com
    | 19 Nov 2009 | 04:55 PM ET
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    As experts debate the potential speed of the US recovery, one figure looms large but is often overlooked: nearly 1 in 5 Americans is either out of work or under-employed.

    According to the government's broadest measure of unemployment, some 17.5 percent are either without a job entirely or underemployed. The so-called U-6 number is at the highest rate since becoming an official labor statistic in 1994.

    The number dwarfs the statistic most people pay attention to—the U-3 rate—which most recently showed unemployment at 10.2 percent for October, the highest it has been since June 1983.

    The difference is that what is traditionally referred to as the "unemployment rate" only measures those out of work who are still looking for jobs. Discouraged workers who have quit trying to find a job, as well as those working part-time but looking for full-time work or who are otherwise underemployed, count in the U-6 rate.

    With such a large portion of Americans experiencing employment struggles, economists worry that an extended period of slow or flat growth lies ahead.

    "To me there's no easy solution here," says Michael Pento, chief economist at Delta Global Advisors. "Unless you create another bubble in which the economy can create jobs, then you're not going to have growth. That's the sad truth."

    Pento warns that forecasts of a double-dip ("W") or a straight up ("V") recovery both could be too optimistic given the jobs situation.

    Instead, he believes the economy could flatline (or "L") for an extended period as small businesses struggle to grow and consequently rehire the workers that have been furloughed as the U-3 unemployment rate has doubled since March 2008.

    As that trend has happened, the U-6 rate has expanded at an even more dramatic pace. Economists cite several reasons for the phenomenon.

    For one, more workers are becoming discouraged as real estate—the focal point for the expansion in the earlier part of the decade—has collapsed and taken millions of directly related and ancillary jobs with it.

    Many workers believe those jobs aren't coming back, and have thus quit looking and added themselves to the broader unemployment count.

    "In the earlier part of this decade, 40 percent of all new jobs created were in real estate. Attorneys, mortgage brokers, agents, construction—they were all circled around housing," Pento says. "We've had a jobless recovery in the last two recessions. This is going to be the third jobless recovery in a row."

    Another factor that may be leading people onto the rolls of those no longer looking for jobs is the government's accommodative extensions of jobless benefits.

    "Workers are unemployed for a much longer span than we've seen historically," says David Resler, chief economist at Nomura Securities International in New York. "Part of that may be affected by the longer availability of benefits. It reduces the incentives for an urgent job search."

    The U-6 rate debuted in January of 1994 at 11.8 percent, while the U-3 was at 6.6 percent. The measure hit a low of 6.9 percent in April 2000 while U-3 sat at 3.8 percent.

    While the current methodology only dates back 15 years, a former U-6 gauge was in existence previously and peaked at 14.3 percent in 1982. Economists predict the current measure would fall just below that number using the same methodology.

    "We're in the process of discovering how severe this recession and the long-run impact on certain industries will be and what that will do to overall employment," Resler says. The U-6 rate "portends a very slow, sluggish recovery."

    If that holds and the US economy stays weak, that presents challenges for investors.

    "People focus too much on that 10 percent number and not on the larger number," says Kevin Mahn, chief investment officer at Hennion & Walsh in Parsippany, N.J. "There's a humongous inventory of people out there looking for work and have been looking for work for a long time. Where are those jobs going to come from?"

    High unemployment and the resulting pressure on consumers is driving many investors to look for opportunities overseas and in other assets.

    Walsh says that trend is going to continue, with clients going to foreign markets, real estate investment trusts, certain bonds—anywhere that can offer profits above the slow-growth mire of US-based investments.

    "If full employment is 4 percent, people are wondering how we're going to get from 10 (percent) to 4. Well, try getting from 17 to 4. We may not get back to full employment for a decade," Mahn says. "As an investor, that causes me to look for different places now. Maybe you can't just put money in US large caps and ride out this recovery."

  • 11-19-2009 7:26 PM In reply to

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    Most of the jobs are not coming back.  

     The future for large corporations is not here where the market is saturated it is in developing countries, and tax cuts won't bring them back either.

    The only hope I see is in the creation of new industries like the green energy industry and the drawback with that is it is in competition with current industries dependent on oil and gas.  It just is not enough to fill the void of joblessness when while it creates jobs it also eliminates jobs, there needs to be more than just that.

    The huge trade deficit we face is a major drawback to job growth in the US.  We import more than we export. This is not conducive to a sustainable economy.

  • 11-19-2009 10:46 PM In reply to

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    Barbara, I really dont know. I dont think jobs going overseas can be blamed that much on the terrible job market right now. I know a lot of people out of work now, and their job loss has nothing to do with overseas jobs. The job losses I know about are just from a lack of work. Businesses are just not doing any work at all, which spreads to all kinds of businesses. I still can't fathom how the housing market caused this huge economic and job loss. I can see some areas losing jobs to housing, but it is very widespread. From what I see, businesses are just not doing much. This reminds of the short period right after 9/11. Businesses were rather worried to start new or major projects. Except now it is very widespread and has lasted a long time.

  • 11-19-2009 11:50 PM In reply to

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    The stats on the number of jobs lost due to manufacturing leaving the US is pretty staggering and job loss was surely a big contributor to the housing market crash and the resulting financial mess with the drying up of credit and lending.

    It all created a cycle, more job loss=  less consumer buying = loss of profits=  lay-offs and more job loss=  less sales =  and so on.

    But whether it was just a contributor to the problem or a major cause is more than I can figure out.

    I do think a whole lot of businesses are held back because they can't get financing from banks,  and also because credit card interest is going sky high which used to be a really easy and quick method of financing with low interest.

  • 11-20-2009 12:37 AM In reply to

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    Many businesses have used this credit crunch and the resulting layoffs to pay off a lot of debt. When they recover, they will be a lot healthier on their balance sheets than they were before. The housing mortgage crisis caused the credit crunch, and that credit crunch ultimately affected all businesses that rely on revolving credit to order supplies and carry inventories. But what started the housing mortgage crisis was that a lot of people got in way over their heads with a readjusted mortgage rate on top of their credit cards and car loans, and they just plain didn't pay what they owed once bankruptcy and foreclosure became a viable option.

  • 11-20-2009 3:16 AM In reply to

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     Alexste I was thinking the job losses per month started getting really big just before the housing market crashed. 

    I thought that might have a lot to do with for many people.   I know it did here in my area.

      Of course, I do know many people got in over their heads with the adjustable mortgage rates as that was really put out very heavy on the media, but the media ignored the numbers on the people who started falling behind because they lost their jobs,  that has been kept pretty quiet.

     

    In June, 45.5% of all delinquencies reported by Freddie Mac (FRE, Fortune 500) were due to unemployment or the loss of income, according to the company. That's an increase from 36.3% in 2006.

    "The two economic factors that most contribute to foreclosures are falling home prices and rising unemployment," said Richard DeKaser, chief economist for National City Corp (NCC, Fortune 500). "It's hard to pay your mortgage when you don't have a job."

    And that's a situation that more and more people are finding themselves in. Nearly one million Americans have lost their jobs in 2008. The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported in early October that 159,000 private sector jobs were lost in September, and on Friday, economists expect the BLS to report that 200,000 jobs were lost in October.

    "The rise in job losses will increase and extend the delinquency trend," said Doug Duncan, the chief economist for mortgage giant Fannie Mae (FNM, Fortune 500). Foreclosures spiked 71% in September alone according to RealtyTrac.

    Calculated Risk: Single Family Mortgage Delinquency Rate and U.S. Unemployment Rate, 2005-2009Calculated Risk posted a thought-provoking chart showing how single family mortgage delinquency rates have largely tracked changes in the U.S. unemployment rate since 2005, which we've excerpted (see above right). From that chart, it would appear that foreclosure activity in the U.S. is pretty closely tracking changes in the unemployment rate.

    Single Family Mortgage 90-Day Delinquency Rate vs U.S. Unemployment Rate, January 2004 - May 2009 Whenever we see that kind of apparently close correlation, we go the extra mile and try to map out the relationship that would appear to exist between the two factors. We've presented our chart showing the correlation between the U.S. unemployment rate and the U.S. single-family mortgage 90-day delinquency rate to the left (larger version near the bottom of this post.) What's more, we've also created a tool for projecting the foreclosure rate from the U.S. unemployment rate based on the data as it's behaved since January 2004.

    Running the numbers for an unemployment rate of 10%, we find that we might expect the single-family mortgage delinquency rate to increase to a level around 2.7% of all mortgages, based upon the correlation we observe in the data that appears to have existed since 2004.

    RealtyTrac Reports Unemployment Related Foreclosures May Be Spreading

    Added July 30, 2009 by Jennifer A. Freeman

    Summary: Unemployment and foreclosure may be more directly linked according to the Midyear report released by RealtyTrac. While Sunbelt states like California, Florida, Nevada and Arizona dominate the foreclosure landscape, other states that are facing high levels of unemployment are showing above average levers of unemployment. According to RealtyTrac, growing unemployment may have more of an effect on foreclosures than lasting effects from subprime loans.

    • It seems that unemployment and foreclosures are both concentrated in urban areas (East & West Coast, Rust Belt). This is expected because most of the population is clustered in those areas in which there are large industries, which means that the high concentration of these said industries that are laying off folks are driving up the numbers.

    • There does indeed appear to be a pattern emerging between unemployment and foreclosure rates. I would assume that areas that experienced high unemployment in 2008 are still experiencing high unemployment, and that those people are unable to pay for their houses, as evidenced by the apparent growth of foreclosures.

     

    Jobs Picture, June 6, 2008
    By Jared Bernstein
    June 6, 2008

    June 6, 2008

    Mounting recessionary signs as unemployment rate spikes

    by Jared Bernstein with research assistance from James Lin

    The nation's job market showed clear signs of recessionary conditions as the jobless rate leapt up a half percent in May, from 5.0% to 5.5%, according to today's report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. This monthly increase was the largest since the mid-1980s, pushing unemployment to its highest rate since late 2004.

    Payrolls contracted for the fifth month in a row, down 49,000 with most of the net job losses occurring in the construction industry, factories, offices, and retailers. Since total payrolls (public and private sector) peaked last December, they are down by 324,000 jobs. Since the government sector tends to be less cyclically affected by downturns, looking at just private-sector job loss can provide a more accurate gauge of the lagging economy's impact on job growth; private-sector employment has fallen over the past six months by 411,000.

  • 11-20-2009 8:34 AM In reply to

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    The solution is to promote small business. We all know this.

  • 11-20-2009 8:36 AM In reply to

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    The government hasnt done anything and the banks arent doing anything to help small business. They went and helped their wall street banker buddies first and now they are just giving hot air to the small business and jobs problem.

  • 11-20-2009 8:40 AM In reply to

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    Good observation Montana. Just the way it is. I hope people wake up before the small businessmen look for greener pastures too.

  • 11-20-2009 11:48 AM In reply to

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    I agree,  seems a lot of the problem here is our representives seem to have different ideals of what small business is.

     

  • 11-20-2009 3:39 PM In reply to

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    Small businesses will not take their job overseas.
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