The "Real" Economy Is Dying: Q4 "Going to Be a Bloodbath,"

Last post 10-07-2009 12:43 AM by Robert Biegler. 5 replies.
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  • 10-06-2009 1:15 PM

    The "Real" Economy Is Dying: Q4 "Going to Be a Bloodbath,"

     

    The "Real" Economy Is Dying: Q4 "Going to Be a Bloodbath," Whalen Says Posted Oct 05, 2009 01:49pm EDT by Aaron Task in Investing, Recession, Banking Related: XLF, SKF, FAS, FAZ, MS, GS, HCBK Stocks rallied to start the week thanks to a better-than-expected ISM services sector report and a Goldman Sachs upgrade of big banks, including Wells Fargo, Comerica and Capital One. But all is not right in either the economy or the banking sector, according to Christopher Whalen, managing director at Institutional Risk Analytics. In fact, Whalen says most observers are drawing the wrong economic conclusions from the stock market's robust rally. "Why is liquidity going into the financial sector? It's because the real economy is dying [and] everyone is fleeing into the stocks and bonds because they're liquid at the moment," Whalen says. "That's not a good sign." The banking sector's assets shrunk by about $300 billion per quarter in the first half of 2009, a sign of banks hoarding cash in anticipation of additional future losses, according to Whalen. "The real economy is shrinking because of a lack of credit." The shrinkage will continue into 2010, Whalen predicts, suggesting the banking sector hasn't yet seen the peak in loan losses. Institutional Risk Analytics forecasts the FDIC will ultimately need $300 billion to $400 billion to recoup losses to its bank insurance fund. (In other words, the $45 billion the FDIC sought to raise last week by asking banks to prepay fees is just a drop in the bucket.) "Investors should think about this because the fourth quarter in the banking industry is going to be a bloodbath," says Whalen, who believes smaller and regional banks like Hudson City Bancorp may come into favor vs. larger peers, which have dramatically outperformed since the March lows. "When you see the markets rallying when the real economy is shrinking that tells you this [recovery] is not going to be very enduring," Whalen says. In this regard, Whalen finds himself in philosophical agreement with Nouriel Roubini, George Soros and Meredith Whitney, among other "prophets of the apocalypse" who've once again been raising red flags in recent days.
  • 10-06-2009 3:39 PM In reply to

    Re: The "Real" Economy Is Dying: Q4 "Going to Be a Bloodbath,"

    Shoot!  My real economy died about 18 months ago, kinda been floating along on life support.  I think I'm about to reach poverty level this year.  So goes the real estate market......

  • 10-06-2009 9:25 PM In reply to

    Re: The "Real" Economy Is Dying: Q4 "Going to Be a Bloodbath,"

    No kidding ... I read today of a brand new large commercial office building in metro Detroit that sold in 2000 for $20,000,000 just sold for $5,000,000.  This is just the beginning of the commercial real estate implosion.

    Ekko:

    Shoot!  My real economy died about 18 months ago, kinda been floating along on life support.  I think I'm about to reach poverty level this year.  So goes the real estate market......

     
  • 10-06-2009 9:38 PM In reply to

    Re: The "Real" Economy Is Dying: Q4 "Going to Be a Bloodbath,"

    I have a better one for you.  An unfinished development.  Mortgaged for 96 million in 2005 just sold for 7 million

  • 10-06-2009 11:23 PM In reply to

    Re: The "Real" Economy Is Dying: Q4 "Going to Be a Bloodbath,"

    OK, I'll up you one ... in Bloomfield Hills, MI, one of the weathiest cities in this country ... an unfinished $35 million commercial/residential project has sat unfinished/unprotected from the elements for almost 2 years, and is now being considered for demolition.  Foreclosure is not even an option ... it would cost more to tear down that the property is worth.

    LISA BEZAK:

    I have a better one for you.  An unfinished development.  Mortgaged for 96 million in 2005 just sold for 7 million

     
  • 10-07-2009 12:43 AM In reply to

    Re: The "Real" Economy Is Dying: Q4 "Going to Be a Bloodbath,"

     Well i think this one will be interesting...I don't think the Government will allow the commercial to fail on the street...But who knows..I think our Canary on this one is CIT...in the Government allows CIT to go Bancrupt I expect we will see massive writeoffs and Bank Failures...continued job losses etc....However I do not expect that will happen...More stimulus will be on the Way...We have spent a little more than half of what we need to....so far so good..this little blip is not unexpected....this will not be the bloodbath the author claims....Just watch and see...

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