The president without a country

Last post 10-15-2009 10:00 PM by Barbara Jones. 17 replies.
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  • 09-30-2009 12:22 AM

    The president without a country

    The president without a country 
    By Pat Boone

      
    "We're no longer a Christian nation." - President Barack Obama, June 2007
     
    " America has been arrogant." - President Barack Obama
     
    "After 9/11, America didn't always live up to her ideals."- President Barack Obama
     
    "You might say that America is a Muslim nation."- President Barack Obama, Egypt 2009
     
    Thinking about these and other statements made by the man who wears the title of president. I keep wondering what country he believes he's president of.
     
    In one of my very favorite stories, Edward Everett Hale's "The Man without a Country," a young Army lieutenant named Philip Nolan stands condemned for treason during the Revolutionary War, having come under the influence of Aaron Burr. When the judge asks him if he wishes to say anything before sentence is passed, young Nolan defiantly exclaims, "Damn the United States ! I wish I might never hear of the United States again!"
     
    The stunned silence in the courtroom is palpable, pulsing. After a long pause, the judge soberly says to the angry lieutenant: "You have just pronounced your own sentence. You will never hear of the United States again.. I sentence you to spend the rest of your life at sea, on one or another of this country's naval vessels - under strict orders that no one will ever speak to you again about the country you have just cursed."
     
    And so it was. Philip Nolan was taken away and spent the next 40 years at sea, never hearing anything but an occasional slip of the tongue about America. The last few pages of the story, recounting Nolan's dying hours in his small stateroom - now turned into a shrine to the country he fore swore - never fail to bring me to tears.  And I find my own love for this dream, this miracle called America , refreshed and renewed. I know how blessed and unique we are.
     
    But reading and hearing the audacious, shocking statements of the man who was recently elected our president - a young black man living the impossible dream of millions of young Americans, past and present, black and white - I want to ask him, "Just what country do you think you're president of?"
     
    You surely can't be referring to the United States of America , can you? America is emphatically a Christian nation, and has been from its inception! Seventy percent of her citizens identify themselves as Christian. The Declaration of Independence and our Constitution were framed, written and ratified by Christians. It's because this was, and is, a nation built on and guided by Judeo-Christian biblical principles that you, sir, have had the inestimable privilege of being elected her president.
     
    You studied law at Harvard, didn't you, sir? You taught constitutional law in Chicago ? Did you not ever read the statement of John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and an author of the landmark "Federalist Papers": "Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers - and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation - to select and prefer Christians for their rulers"?
     
    In your studies, you surely must have read the decision of the Supreme Court in 1892: "Our lives and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian."
     
    Did your professors have you skip over all the high-court decisions right up till the mid 1900's that echoed and reinforced these views and intentions? Did you pick up the history of American jurisprudence only in 1947, when for the first time a phrase coined by Thomas Jefferson about a "wall of separation between church and state" was used to deny some specific religious expression - contrary to Jefferson ' s intent with that statement?
     
    Or, wait a minute . were your ideas about America 's Christianity formed during the 20 years you were a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ under your pastor, Jeremiah Wright? Is that where you got the idea that " America is no longer a Christian nation"? Is this where you, even as you came to call yourself a Christian, formed the belief that " America has been arrogant"?
     
    Even if that's the understandable explanation of your damning of your country and accusing the whole nation (not just a few military officials trying their best to keep more Americans from being murdered by Jihadist) of "not always living up to her ideals," how did you come up with the ridiculous, alarming notion that we might be "considered a Muslim nation"?
     
    Is it because there are some 2 million or more Muslims living here, trying to be good Americans? Out of a current population of over 300 million, 70 percent of whom are Christians? Does that make us, by any rational definition, a "Muslim nation"?
     
    Why are we not, then, a "Chinese nation"? A "Korean nation"? Even a "Vietnamese nation"? There are even more of these distinct groups in America than Muslims. And if the distinction you're trying to make is a religious one, why is America not "a Jewish nation"? There's actually a case to be made for the latter, because our Constitution - and the success of our Revolution and founding - owe a deep debt to our Jewish brothers.
     
    Have you stopped to think what an actual Muslim America would be like? Have you ever really spent much time in Iran ? Even in Egypt ? You, having been instructed in Islam as a kid at a Muslim school in Indonesia and saying you still love the call to evening prayers, can surely picture our nation founded on the Quran, not the Judeo-Christian Bible, and living under Shariah law. Can't you? You do recall Muhammad's directives [Surah 9:5,73] to "break the cross" and "kill the infidel"?
     
    It seems increasingly and painfully obvious that you are more influenced by your upbringing and questionable education than most suspected. If you consider yourself the president of a people who are "no longer Christian," who have "failed to live up to our ideals," who "have been arrogant," and might even be "considered Muslim" - you are president of a country most Americans don't recognize.
     
    Could it be you are a president without a country?

     
  • 09-30-2009 11:42 AM In reply to

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    very bold article but I think and hope that Obama learned that negotiating with Muslims didn't work and will not work in the future. I just wish that he would be more on the defense for Israel than Muslim countries. But it is his choice, Israel will be the winner anyway and those aligning themselves with their enemies will lose.

  • 10-01-2009 12:20 AM In reply to

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    InnaD:

    very bold article but I think and hope that Obama learned that negotiating with Muslims didn't work and will not work in the future. I just wish that he would be more on the defense for Israel than Muslim countries. But it is his choice, Israel will be the winner anyway and those aligning themselves with their enemies will lose.

    In war who really wins? NO ONE! He needs to take care of US...

  • 10-02-2009 12:05 AM In reply to

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    PAT BOONE what a loser. My brain felt smaller the more i read. Oh and AMERICA IS NOT PERFECT.
  • 10-02-2009 12:05 AM In reply to

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    PAT BOONE what a loser. My brain felt smaller the more i read. Oh and AMERICA IS NOT PERFECT.
  • 10-02-2009 12:09 AM In reply to

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    Berubeland:
    PAT BOONE what a loser. My brain felt smaller the more i read. Oh and AMERICA IS NOT PERFECT.

     Amen to that Berubeland...this I know!

  • 10-02-2009 2:03 AM In reply to

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     The daily politics forum would be a more appropriate place for this thread.

    It would make it much easier to keep up with and answer questions for newcomers which is what the newbies forum is designed for.

    Thank you

  • 10-12-2009 11:48 AM In reply to

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    Thank you very much...

  • 10-13-2009 9:03 AM In reply to

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    Maybe they are new to politics :)
  • 10-13-2009 9:06 AM In reply to

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    Maybe Barbara is trying to keep all the hatred and bigotry located in one place so that it doesn't poison all the forums.
  • 10-13-2009 3:10 PM In reply to

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    Richo8221:
    "We're no longer a Christian nation." - President Barack Obama, June 2007
     
     

     

    And the rest of the story:

    "Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation — at least, not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers."

  • 10-13-2009 3:15 PM In reply to

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    Richo8221:
    " America has been arrogant." - President Barack Obama

    Slightly shorter version of:

    "It's always harder to forge true partnerships and sturdy alliances than to act alone, or to wait for the action of somebody else. It's more difficult to break down walls of division than to simply allow our differences to build and our resentments to fester. So we must be honest with ourselves. In recent years we've allowed our Alliance to drift. I know that there have been honest disagreements over policy, but we also know that there's something more that has crept into our relationship. In America, there's a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.

    But in Europe, there is an anti-Americanism that is at once casual but can also be insidious. Instead of recognizing the good that America so often does in the world, there have been times where Europeans choose to blame America for much of what's bad.

    On both sides of the Atlantic, these attitudes have become all too common. They are not wise. They do not represent the truth. They threaten to widen the divide across the Atlantic and leave us both more isolated. They fail to acknowledge the fundamental truth that America cannot confront the challenges of this century alone, but that Europe cannot confront them without America."

  • 10-13-2009 3:19 PM In reply to

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    Richo8221:
    "After 9/11, America didn't always live up to her ideals."- President Barack Obama

    Here's more:

    "And finally, just as America can never tolerate violence by extremists, we must never alter our principles. 9/11 was an enormous trauma to our country. The fear and anger that it provoked was understandable, but in some cases, it led us to act contrary to our ideals. We are taking concrete actions to change course. I have unequivocally prohibited the use of torture by the United States, and I have ordered the prison at Guantanamo Bay closed by early next year.

    So America will defend itself respectful of the sovereignty of nations and the rule of law. And we will do so in partnership with Muslim communities which are also threatened. The sooner the extremists are isolated and unwelcome in Muslim communities, the sooner we will all be safer."

  • 10-13-2009 3:21 PM In reply to

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    Richo8221:
    "You might say that America is a Muslim nation."- President Barack Obama, Egypt 2009

    Putting it in context:

    "Now, I think it's very important to understand that one speech is not going to solve all the problems in the Middle East. And so I think expectations should be somewhat modest.

    What I want to do is to create a better dialogue so that the Muslim world understands more effectively how the United States but also how the West thinks about many of these difficult issues like terrorism, like democracy, to discuss the framework for what's happened in Iraq and Afghanistan and our outreach to Iran, and also how we view the prospects for peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians.

    Now, the flip side is I think that the United States and the West generally, we have to educate ourselves more effectively on Islam. And one of the points I want to make is, is that if you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we'd be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world. And so there's got to be a better dialogue and a better understanding between the two peoples."

  • 10-13-2009 3:23 PM In reply to

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    Is there any way for WSS to move this to the Daily Politics forum?

  • 10-14-2009 12:03 AM In reply to

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     Dr. Zira, thank you for fighting simply and elegantly with facts. Thank you for digging a little and providing the full quotes.

  • 10-14-2009 1:12 AM In reply to

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    I agree Dr Zira you're the best. Unfortunately people will continue to believe things that reinforce their preexisting beliefs.
  • 10-15-2009 10:00 PM In reply to

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      Unfortunately we can't move the whole thread, but we could start over with the first post on the Daily Politics forum and that would be really helpful.  

    It is really difficult to keep a moderator that is capable and willing to answer all the newbies questions, or make sure that they are all answered as they generally do not want to have to deal with controversial issues, most especially if they have anything to do with politics.

    I think my last moderator has already quit so anyone willing please let me know on my wall. 

    Thanks,

    Barb

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