mc mcain vs. obama

Last post 07-26-2008 7:17 PM by Seti03. 35 replies.
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  • 07-23-2008 5:37 PM In reply to

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    John McCain is the next President of the USA Obama needs his Mama He needs to grow up more .

    How do you want a young man or a man???????

    We leave this world to the young ones but not the White House.

    A Man From ARIZONA Thats Right

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  • 07-23-2008 6:16 PM In reply to

    • Soju
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    LOL you're funny 

  • 07-23-2008 6:16 PM In reply to

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    LOL you're funny 

  • 07-23-2008 9:07 PM In reply to

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    lol i'd suggest waiting until the VPs come out before you count your chickens.

  • 07-23-2008 9:37 PM In reply to

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    This article should not come as a shock to anyone that has followed the campaign. So simple that even someone like Soju should be able to grasp it. Well maybe not .

  • 07-24-2008 7:03 PM In reply to

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    The WHITE HOUSE GOES TO THE MAN John McCain from the great State of AZ

  • 07-24-2008 8:29 PM In reply to

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  • 07-25-2008 5:17 AM In reply to

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    I agree there has been a major re-distribution of Wealth in this country over the past forty to sixt years. Which explains why those poor people in the top 1% income tier own over 90% of our economy and wealth. Tax-cuts and a trickle down economy. Isn't this what we've had for the past 28 years. Seems to me we're quite a bit worse off now. And wouldn't we have been well on our way to paying off the National Debt in a few more years. Thus saving ourselves over 359 million dollars a year, just in Interest on the debt. Had Bush not decided to give a tax-break to the wealthiest Americans while at the same time going to war in a country that we were already occupying for around ten years. Saving us another close to one Trillion dollars. (and counting)

    Question. Why do Europeans enjoy a higher standard of living, (France , quickly comes to mind, among others.)  even though their tax rates are quite a bit higher compared to ours. Not to mention they have a greater life expectancy.

    Frank Sinatra paid 80% in taxes. The wealthy, once upon a, not to long time ago paid 70 to 90% of their earned income, our Capitalist system didn't crumble it thrived back in the late-forties and fiftie's And  Sinatra had no problems with foreclosures. and money. His net worth at his death in 1998 at the age of 82 was around fifteen million dollars. Not bad given his gregarious lifestlye of friends. The question we should be asking ourselves, really isn't wherther we need another tax-cut to stimulate the economy.

    We need to be focused on transitioning from a Fossil fueled based dirty energy industry to a planet friendly energy enviroment. That will take sacrifice and money. We desperately need to fix our century-old Infrastruture. That will take money, offset to a degree by the jobs created in such an endeaver. We need to begin this and begin it on the first day of the new Presidency on Jan 20th.

    Last Word: I don't believe there are that many of us out there still thinking about tax cuts. Paying off our 10 trillion dollar debt, rebuilding our obsolete infrastructure, transitioning to independent sources of energy, not based on oil. Thus freeing ourselves up from our arab masters. And probably the most important issue, an issue that will impact all of us no matter how little tax you think you should pay . Global Warming... resulting in intense storms the likes we've never seen, Salt water dilution due to the rapid melting of ice going on all over the world, drier droughts, wilder forest fires, torrential floods, increased Tornado activity and strenght.

    And the list goes on , but I won't.

    carpe diem.!!

     

    Prince Pepper:

     There is that logic again: the economy is just a great big game of redistributing wealth. 

    I'd like to point that there is such a thing as WEALTH CREATION and that wealth actually aids in the  creation of wealth.

    Simply: Tax cuts pay for themselves.

     

  • 07-25-2008 5:23 AM In reply to

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    Excuse me, Norcaldave. But I believe when you refer to 18% interests rates you should be referring to Ronald Reagan. Not Jimmy Carter.

     

    norcaldave:

    If Obama is elected, and I pray he is not, America will be taxed to the extent that most of us cannot imagine let alone afford.  If you are old enough to remember Jimmy Carter, the thought of 18% home loans should scare you to death...Personally, I believe McCain is just the lesser of the two evils...Even if you hate McCain, one would think you could appreciate his candor and non-flip-flopping about issues dear to America......Dave

     

     

  • 07-25-2008 8:16 AM In reply to

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    LOL damn seti, where have you been! where were these comments last week??? i totally agree with pretty much everything but the suggestion that life is much better in europe... i spent a month over there last year and found that there are a lot of poor people, immigrants, beggars, etc. also things arent nearly as clean over there; they have massive pollution problems, simply because they have so many people and cars in a much more compact place. my only point here is that the rest of the world isnt better than us and cleaner than us, we are the united states of america. it is up to us to clean up and be the innovative country that we used to be. we need to set the tone and show the world how to create one's own energy and be self sufficient. by doing this, i think we can again be the country that europeans and the rest of the world wish they were fortunate enough to be born into.

  • 07-25-2008 8:29 AM In reply to

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    seti this is from time magazine ,hardly a right wing propaganda machine. the article is written 3/24/1980

    this debunks your statement on blaming Reagan for 18% interest rates

     

     

    As Jimmy Carter stepped before the television cameras in the East Room of the White House last Friday, his task was not just to proclaim another new anti-inflation program but to calm a national alarm that had begun to border on panic. Inflation and interest rates, both topping 18%, are so far beyond anything that Americans have experienced in peacetime—and so far beyond anything that U.S. financial markets are set up to handle—as to inspire a contagion of fear. Usually confident businessmen and bankers have begun talking of Latin American-style hyperinflation, financial collapse, major bankruptcies, a drastic drop in the American standard of living.

    For three weeks the White House struggled to develop a plan that would restore the public's confidence that the Government could bring the economy under control. It summoned business leaders and representatives of civic groups from all over the country, consulted daily with ever widening circles of influential Congressmen. There was talk of a televised presidential address to a joint session of Congress. But the dramatized search for an anti-inflation program proved slow and frustrating. Within the Administration, economists fretted endlessly over the pros and cons of various budget-balancing proposals. The President's aides finally canceled all plans for Carter to address Congress, which was reluctant to play host to what was bound to be an unpleasant message.

    But the runaway prices and the increasing national anxiety demanded that the President say something, and make it substantive, and do it quickly. So on Friday afternoon, Jimmy Carter strode into the East Room, having carefully waited until half an hour after the major financial markets had closed in the East, to outline his plans to an invited group of 175 Government officials, congressional leaders and businessmen. His program had many details to be filled in, and his speech had been written hastily in the previous 24 hours. In fact, it was clapped together so hurriedly that one page of the final draft was left out of the copy that Carter took before the cameras, and he had to skip over three missing paragraphs of the official text.

     

    But at least Carter had some specific measures to announce. His major goal: to balance the $612 billion budget for fiscal 1981, which begins Oct. 1. That would make it the first balanced budget since 1969, and only the second in the past 21 years.* His keynote: discipline—a word he repeated nine times.

     

    Speaking earnestly and somberly, Carter opened by stating that "persistent high inflation threatens the economic security of our country," and that "this dangerous situation calls for urgent measures." He admitted in effect that the budget he submitted in January, which called for a deficit of $15.8 billion and which he termed at the tune "prudent and responsible," had become obsolete in only seven weeks.

  • 07-25-2008 9:10 AM In reply to

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     Lets get some facts straight before we blame everything on Jimmy Carter.

    Jimmy Carter came into office with so many problems from the Nixon/Ford administration that it was difficult to say the least for him to create a robust economy at that time.

    Under Nixon the dollar was devalued that lead to a recession, we was taken off of the gold standard and the dollar became bounced checks,  these two issues alone hurt this country for many years and we are still paying for some of those blunders, by getting off the gold standard inflation has no checks and balances, by devaluing the dollar this one act gave the government the ability to print as much paper as it wanted which lead to high inflation.

    Jimmy Carter has assumed so much debt when he beame president that it became almost impossible to get out from under.

    Now before you all go and say Reagan saved the economy, ask how did he do it. He mortgaged the future and we are paying for it today and our grand children will still be paying for it, what he actually did was lay the foundation for the rich to get richer and the middle class pick up the tab. 

  • 07-25-2008 9:53 AM In reply to

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    President Mc Cain 

  • 07-25-2008 11:00 AM In reply to

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    So you think you can see into the future Natalia....i guess i will have to call you Miss Cleo for your self-claimed "psychic powers / fortune-telling skills".........and your willingness to scam people into making them believe in absurd "self-claimed" truths.  Yes we shall call Miss Cleo for now on.  It has been made official. 

    By the way....i have no respect for Miss Cleo....she is a disgrace to the Jamaian peoples.  She is no sista of mine.  She be a theif stealin all the moneys.

    Peace me brothas

  • 07-25-2008 1:21 PM In reply to

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    I would suggest that before you take anything as fact, that you actually visit the websites of the candidates to see what they are about.

    Obama on his website states that he will ensure that Bush tax cuts for the middle and lower income levels will remain in effect.

    Obama believes that Bush's tax cuts for the wealthiest individuals should be reversed, and that tax loopholes for wealthy corporations should be closed.

    Obama appears to be very serious about civil rights and keeping our constitution.

    He clearly states that government spending, especially for contracts over 25,000 will be closely monitored and awarded fairly according to competitive bids, pork belly spending will be cut, and that a pay-as-you-go system for the government will be implemented by reducing government spending that currently pads the pockets of the wealthiest.

    McCain wants a corporate tax cut which means more money in wealthy corporate owners pockets, and those that believe this will improve the economy here, I am afraid are in for a big disapointment. The current trend for wealthy corporation owners is to invest in personal lifestyle, overseas developments and equipment that reduces the need for more employees, employment taxes and liabilities costs for employees in the US are too high for corporations to invest money from tax cuts here, when they can make more profit thru automated machinery that requires fewer employees, outsourcing, and overseas developments. Some even think that if corporations recieved corporate tax cuts that they would pay higher wages, why would they do that when it would mean they would have to pay more employment taxes, and liability costs such as workmen's comp would increase ?

    Forget democratic and republican, compare the websites of each candidate and what they are promising to accomplish. For those that vote strictly on abortion and gay rights issues you might want to consider how very little those issues will matter if this country goes into a depression or bankruptcy, or our constitution continues to be overruled and we loose more of the protection and civil rights from the constitution than we already have.

    Compare the two candidates on civil and constitutional rights, tax issues, government spending issues, defense issues, etc,.etc., on their websites and from listening to their speeches, and forget BS emails. I would say compare them from past voting history but I tried that, and McCain didn't vote enough for me to be able to tell much from his voting record.

    Social spending is a big issue with many so compare this on the candidates websites. Let's have a discussion and debate according to what is on the websites that we like and dislike instead of going back and forth over made up nonsense. 

     

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